Political Opinions

Anything that isn't part of the game or its community goes here. KEEP IT CIVIL!

Re: Political Opinions

Postby MichaelReilly » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:22 pm

That was an impressive thousand-word discussion about politics which didn't touch on economics once.

Economics for me is the crux of all politics. If I don't know your economic stance, I can never truly know what your beliefs are.
Down with this sort of thing
User avatar
MichaelReilly
 
Posts: 1125
Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:39 pm
Location: The boy from the County Hell

Re: Political Opinions

Postby Elf » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:55 pm

Hrafn wrote:Holy s**t, I need a trébuchet to get through this wall of text :D
Friday nights you know... :lol:

Hrafn wrote:The problem with the Sami started when the government decided to equate sami-ness with reindeer-herding. Most sami people didn't, and still don't, have anything to do with reindeer-herding. The majority subsisted on fishing, hunting and even farming. But these non-reindeer-herding sami had their land rights expropriated and given over to the reindeer herders, just like a lot of Jamtish farmers had their farms expropriated for the same purpose. The members of the "Sami villages" have privileges over fishing and hunting rights that even non-reindeer-herding sami don't have. Furthermore, most reindeer-herders don't even speak a word of sami and probably have less sami blood than the average Swede up here.

In fact, the biggest party in the Sami Thing are opposed to the reindeer-industry as it currently exists. They want to open up the Sami villages to all sami, have "one person, one vote" (as opposed to now, when you get a vote per head of reindeer you own, unless you're a woman - then your reindeer count toward your male care-takers votes instead, really enlightened eh?), and distribute hunting and fishing rights equally.

I have no problem with the sami having special land rights as long as it's proportional, i.e. if 10% of the population in a particular hunting zone are sami, then 10% of the hunting rights should be reserved for them. Fair.
Some quite interesting insights there. Had no idea about the Sami gender discrimination, although their way of voting is certainly reminiscent of some people's idea about a modern aristocracy. :lol:

Might even argue as since most 'ethnic' Sami don't even have anything to do with the industry (and afaik live in Stockholm, lol), building hospitals and stuff for the money we spend on reindeer might even the most minority-friendly reform one can think of.. :D

Hrafn wrote:Bah! If you've accepted that nothing's ever going to change, you might as well be a raving extremist. It's much more fun!

Edit: did you just compare economic theories to geocentrism? The belief that the sun circles the earth?
:lol: Think I meant biocentrism. Not quite compatible with the belief that everything are made to serve man all the time. Which is basically what all modern western ideologies are all about.

(btw, funny fact for foreigners: in our language, 'man' in a context like that is a she :D )

MichaelReilly wrote:That was an impressive thousand-word discussion about politics which didn't touch on economics once.

Economics for me is the crux of all politics. If I don't know your economic stance, I can never truly know what your beliefs are.


I'd say I'm broadly 'centre-right' – I support a welfare state where the government ensure a basic safety for every citizen, but where welfare services like schools, hospitals, homes for the elderly etc. are delivered by competing private institutions so that even the poorest have the freedom to choice something that suits them as individuals. Not necessary corporations, it can be churches, volunteer organizations etc. too.

But that's part because I'm in favour of decentralization and spreading the ownership of production in general. Both the deep state and big business have the disadvantage that they alienate the consumer from the product, and from the community at large. I'd prefer to buy a loaf of bread from the farmer next door who I know doesn't pour whatever stuff he can find into the product to lower the price.
"Bullying consists of the least competent most aggressive employee projecting their incompetence on to the least aggressive most competent employee and winning."

- Dr Martyn Wild
User avatar
Elf
 
Posts: 217
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:01 am
Location: Kali Yuga

Re: Political Opinions

Postby Hrafn » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:27 pm

Elf wrote:
Hrafn wrote:Edit: did you just compare economic theories to geocentrism? The belief that the sun circles the earth?
:lol: Think I meant biocentrism. Not quite compatible with the belief that everything are made to serve man all the time. Which is basically what all modern western ideologies are all about.
Oh ok, that makes more sense :D
User avatar
Hrafn
 
Posts: 891
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:36 pm
Location: Where the sun does not set

Re: Political Opinions

Postby elenir1 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:47 pm

I don't really have any political opinion, I'm very... ¿ignorant?
What's good, thanks for reading my signature.
User avatar
elenir1
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:09 pm

Previous

Return to Off-topic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest