Conservatives and Centrists Hate America

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Re: Conservatives and Centrists Hate America

Postby TheNewGuy » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:21 am

soysauce wrote:This is painful...


Seriously, sometimes I wonder about these folks. Like are they for real, or are they just even better trolls than I am and they're playing the long game on you, me, MikeR, and crew?
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Re: Conservatives and Centrists Hate America

Postby Afrocentric » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:42 am

Flat taxes are the stupidest thing ever and I can't believe people advocate for them. The more money you earn, the more you should pay, it's that simple. Of course you can't tax people too high or else they'll simply move out of the country all together.

Hence why I think the rich should be taxed between 30 to 35%.
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Re: Conservatives and Centrists Hate America

Postby CanadianEh » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:49 am

TheNewGuy wrote:
soysauce wrote:This is painful...


Seriously, sometimes I wonder about these folks. Like are they for real, or are they just even better trolls than I am and they're playing the long game on you, me, MikeR, and crew?

No we are just trying to have a real conversation........ :?
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Re: Conservatives and Centrists Hate America

Postby TheNewGuy » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:59 am

CanadianEh wrote:
TheNewGuy wrote:
soysauce wrote:This is painful...


Seriously, sometimes I wonder about these folks. Like are they for real, or are they just even better trolls than I am and they're playing the long game on you, me, MikeR, and crew?

No we are just trying to have a real conversation........ :?


That's just nonsense.
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Re: Conservatives and Centrists Hate America

Postby Amazeroth » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:17 am

Afrocentric wrote:Flat taxes are the stupidest thing ever and I can't believe people advocate for them. The more money you earn, the more you should pay, it's that simple. Of course you can't tax people too high or else they'll simply move out of the country all together.

Hence why I think the rich should be taxed between 30 to 35%.



Flat taxes have worked incredibly well wherever they were introduced. And the rich still pay more than the poor with flat taxes. That's what paying a percentage of your income is all about.



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soysauce wrote:This is painful...


Seriously, sometimes I wonder about these folks. Like are they for real, or are they just even better trolls than I am and they're playing the long game on you, me, MikeR, and crew?


It's very hard to say. Although willfully ignoring irony and sarcasm are powerful tools against them, just not getting just looks the same.
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Re: Conservatives and Centrists Hate America

Postby Reddy » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:59 am

Amazeroth wrote:Flat taxes have worked incredibly well wherever they were introduced.


I disagree slightly, their positive effect on the economy appears to be short term like that of any other tax cut. Countries which have introduced flat taxes have other factors going for them, either 'banking secrecy', ample natural resources like Russia, EU investment funds or having comparatively low wages. Another thing is that the tax burden in such countries is not much lower than that in progressive tax countries because they often have very high social security contributions typically from 25 to 35% or like Hungary, a VAT of 27%.

Afrocentric wrote:The more money you earn, the more you should pay, it's that simple


Someone earning ten times more than you will still pay ten times more tax under a flat tax. And i also think that taxes are somewhat harder for the rich to evade under a flat tax, especially it's a truly flat tax system, with no loopholes and where certain types of incomes aren't taxed less than others. That said, I'm personally in favour of a somewhat highish flat tax of about 20 to 25%, not the 10 or 12% you see in many east European countries.
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Re: Conservatives and Centrists Hate America

Postby Afrocentric » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:37 pm

What works in Europe probably won't work in the United States, especially since we have alot of loopholes in our tax system.
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