Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Farsun » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:51 am

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Captain-Socialist wrote:An article I read quite a while back mentioned some secular nationalist, possibly a military defector, rebel leader as "least worse" choice for who to back. Don't remember his name.
Maybe, but we backed rebels with better credentials in Libya and that never really worked out, and frankly it's difficult stopping the opposition alliance members from turning on each other already..

That didn't work out because we half assed it in Libya. Al Qaeda and other more opportunist warlords and Islamist groups became well armed and these militias went about and undermined the work of creating a national authority. After Gaddaffi fell there should've been a UN force deployed to disarm the militia and secure the oil fields and cities while training a domestic professional security service.


In a perfect world.

Libya was the one of the very first homefront oppositions that showed up in 2014/2015. People didn't want to go to Libya, for the first time people were saying "Let them or someone else sort it out." That's why the EU had to take up the mantle because the domestic opposition at home was ridiculous as it should've been. Eventually the US casually walked in and tried to do the same in Syria but failed miserably.

I trust Russia more than the United States in this instance. If anyone can disarm and stabilize a regime, it's Russia. Counter-insurgency methods have never been on the side of the United States and our rather ineffective methods of routing the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan were...meh at best. The world greatest military cannot fight an unconventional war because our doctrine is opposed to it. That is where our CIA is suppose to step in but hey, what success does that have? We might never know.

Russia needs to go boots on the ground, bring Iran in for support and we can maybe seen the end of ISIS. Right, we might see Syria fall to the Russian-Iran-China axis but I'd prefer that over ISIS truthfully and I doubt anyone could argue that.
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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Kubrick » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:53 pm

Farsun wrote: If anyone can disarm and stabilize a regime, it's Russia.

Yeah, that worked in Chechnya. Such a peaceful and stable region nowadays.
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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Farsun » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:56 am

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Farsun wrote: If anyone can disarm and stabilize a regime, it's Russia.

Yeah, that worked in Chechnya. Such a peaceful and stable region nowadays.


Comparatively? Yeah, it is. Afghanistan and Iraq are pretty close to failed states, while sure they remain decent looking on the outside when you read the reports from inside, its a joke. When ISIS took over, Mosul I believe and installed the regime there (I believe Mosul was actually Ba'athist) the locals flat out said that they didn't fight it because they at least restored basic services.

Our intervention in Somalia, went swimmingly. I mean, Somalia is doing well? Libya? Doing well. Do not mistake that for saying Chechnya is by any means doing amazing, but its stable at the least.
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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Kubrick » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:42 pm

Eh, I truly don't believe Chechnya can be considered stable. They might be rebuilding it but the Chechens are still unhappy and there's enough little skirmishes going around for everyone. Either way, I'm all for a hands off policy. Not anyone's business to intervene in other states to shape it to their liking.
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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Zanz » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:56 pm

Yeah, I think the evidence you both cited (Chechnya for the Russians and Libya/Iraq/Afghanistan for the Americans) gives pretty good evidence that regime change in general doesn't lead to "stabilized" areas.
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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Kubrick » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:58 pm

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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby 18107 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:16 pm

Intervention of any caliber, whether its Russia or NATO or someone else, will never go strictly to plan. There is also the issue of installing a new system of government in the area and trying to take in the wishes of the people and stability can be hard thing to do. I'm not making excuses for the existence of Iraq and everywhere else's situation, but that intervention will never go strictly to plan.

That being said, I hope ISIS will be burnt for their inhuman actions in time. And hope that NATO, Russia and everywhere and everyone else finally does something about this evil group of people.
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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Zanz » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:46 pm

Kubrick wrote:Remembered your password?


STOP no one was supposed to remember that I forgot it.
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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Kubrick » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:07 pm

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STOP no one was supposed to remember that I forgot it.


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Re: Should Russia have intervened in Syria?

Postby Zanz » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:21 pm

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Kubrick wrote:Remembered your password?


STOP no one was supposed to remember that I forgot it.


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