French Presidential Election, 2017

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Who do you support for President of France?

François Fillon (LR)
5
10%
Benoit Hamon (PS)
4
8%
Emmanuel Macron (EM)
15
31%
François Bayrou (MoDem)
0
No votes
Jean-Luc Mélenchon (PdG)
9
18%
Marine Le Pen (FN)
15
31%
Other (please specify)
1
2%
 
Total votes : 49

Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby TPPDJT » Mon May 01, 2017 12:53 am

Axxell wrote:Nationalisms and irrational fears... :roll:

It's entirely rational, considering NATO has continued to expand eastward since we supposedly won the Cold War.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby MichaelReilly » Mon May 01, 2017 12:48 pm

Axxell wrote:Nationalisms and irrational fears... :roll:


It would be eyeroll-worthy if it didn't lead to the jailing of people who dare to criticise an autocratic regime, where anyone who dares to stand up to an obviously corrupt and authoritarian government is labelled a 'traitor'.

Nationalism, irrational fear, and very real political repression. Russia's a hell-hole. When you get guys going 'yeah, I'm a liberal, but I believe in the jailing of political opponents', then you know a country's beyond fucked.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby TheTsar » Mon May 01, 2017 5:49 pm

MichaelReilly wrote:
Axxell wrote:Nationalisms and irrational fears... :roll:


It would be eyeroll-worthy if it didn't lead to the jailing of people who dare to criticise an autocratic regime, where anyone who dares to stand up to an obviously corrupt and authoritarian government is labelled a 'traitor'.

Nationalism, irrational fear, and very real political repression. Russia's a hell-hole. When you get guys going 'yeah, I'm a liberal, but I believe in the jailing of political opponents', then you know a country's beyond fucked.


I am sorry to say, but you have been brainwashed. I feel sorry for you. Russia is not a hell-hole. I mean, when your currency suffers high levels of inflation and prices rise, the government forces businesses to give you a wage rise to make your real pay the same as before. Regarding the jailing of political opponents, if that were true, Alexei Naalny would long be in prison. And Russia has free-speech. In talk-shows, even the state-owned TV channels invite American journalists and when discussing Ukraine, openly anti-Russian Ukrainian politicians. And if you say Putin eliminates his opponents - think. He is a former KGB agrnt, and would never make it so inconspicuous by having Boris Nemtsov - Putin's archrival - assassinated right in front of te Kremlin walls. And he imprisoned all the conirmed assassins of Alexander Litvinienko. And comparing Russia's electoral system with the American system makes you think - which one is the conservative shithole and the liberal paradise.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Hrafn » Mon May 01, 2017 6:48 pm

TheTsar wrote:
MichaelReilly wrote:
Axxell wrote:Nationalisms and irrational fears... :roll:


It would be eyeroll-worthy if it didn't lead to the jailing of people who dare to criticise an autocratic regime, where anyone who dares to stand up to an obviously corrupt and authoritarian government is labelled a 'traitor'.

Nationalism, irrational fear, and very real political repression. Russia's a hell-hole. When you get guys going 'yeah, I'm a liberal, but I believe in the jailing of political opponents', then you know a country's beyond fucked.


I am sorry to say, but you have been brainwashed. I feel sorry for you. Russia is not a hell-hole. I mean, when your currency suffers high levels of inflation and prices rise, the government forces businesses to give you a wage rise to make your real pay the same as before. Regarding the jailing of political opponents, if that were true, Alexei Naalny would long be in prison. And Russia has free-speech. In talk-shows, even the state-owned TV channels invite American journalists and when discussing Ukraine, openly anti-Russian Ukrainian politicians. And if you say Putin eliminates his opponents - think. He is a former KGB agrnt, and would never make it so inconspicuous by having Boris Nemtsov - Putin's archrival - assassinated right in front of te Kremlin walls. And he imprisoned all the conirmed assassins of Alexander Litvinienko. And comparing Russia's electoral system with the American system makes you think - which one is the conservative shithole and the liberal paradise.

The more I read about contemporary Russian politics, the more I like it. Russia has serious economic and social problems because of the Soviet era and the subsequent plunder by the oligarchs, but Putin has done more than most leaders to help his nation. Even if he were a dictator, so what? I'd rather have a dictator that gets shit done than the kind of elected politicians we have in my country. He isn't a dictator by the way. The accusations about Putin assassinating political oppenents are so ill-founded that they would be classified as crackpot conspiracy theories in any other context.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby jamescfm » Sun May 07, 2017 6:55 pm

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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Hrafn » Sun May 07, 2017 7:10 pm

37% is not too bad. And I expect little Macron will have a hard time.

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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Oakwood » Mon May 08, 2017 6:17 am

jamescfm wrote:Ah the fascist got annihilated, gutted...


No. Her father got gutted; Marine Le Pen got 37% against an opponent that will face opposition from day 1. The car crash hasn't stopped; it's merely entered slow motion. This woman and her party will not make the same mistakes again, and Macron doesn't have the skill or the platform to make it beyond the narrow parameters he's set for himself.

As it is, he has set himself up for failure; the legislative elections in several months time shall, one way or another, take things firmly out of this hands. The rebranded FN could simply do well (now having a core constituency on which to run on and re-tool), combined with a moderately Eurosceptic Republican party or even a slightly emboldened unsubmissive France (seeing as the Socialists basically proved they can stop existing at this point. Melenchon as a single person leading a rag tag team of misfits got ten percent more than their candidate).

In order to actually implement any of his agenda items, he would need to do extremely well in the upcoming elections. I don't see how that comes to pass.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby jamescfm » Mon May 08, 2017 6:23 am

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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Aquinas » Mon May 08, 2017 11:17 am

jamescfm wrote:
Oakwood wrote:
jamescfm wrote:Ah the fascist got annihilated, gutted...


No. Her father got gutted; Marine Le Pen got 37% against an opponent that will face opposition from day 1. The car crash hasn't stopped; it's merely entered slow motion. This woman and her party will not make the same mistakes again, and Macron doesn't have the skill or the platform to make it beyond the narrow parameters he's set for himself.

As it is, he has set himself up for failure; the legislative elections in several months time shall, one way or another, take things firmly out of this hands. The rebranded FN could simply do well (now having a core constituency on which to run on and re-tool), combined with a moderately Eurosceptic Republican party or even a slightly emboldened unsubmissive France (seeing as the Socialists basically proved they can stop existing at this point. Melenchon as a single person leading a rag tag team of misfits got ten percent more than their candidate).

In order to actually implement any of his agenda items, he would need to do extremely well in the upcoming elections. I don't see how that comes to pass.

Sounds like you're trying to explain away the fact that she got annihilated to me.


Clearly defeated, yes.

Annihilated? She and her supporters would have hoped to have done better, but this was not an annihilation. Over a third of French voters supported the far-right candidate. That's terrifying enough.

In 2002, Marine Le Pen's father made it to the second round of the presidential election but still only got 17.8% of the vote. Yesterday, Marine Le Pen scooped up 33.9%.

I was talking to a French guy the other day, and he was telling me he thinks over the last two decades or so, the National Front has become more and more "normalised" in France, being seen as much more mainstream, despite how extreme it is. He said that on university campuses, for example, there was a time when student branches of the National Front would be seen as really way-out, but now a lot of people just accept them as part of normality.

By winning over a third of the vote, I'd say Marine Le Pen has confirmed what has already become clear - that France has changed, that the far-right has become to large extent "normalised" and the National Front is a permanent significant force in French politics. Very troubling, for France and Europe.

So no, the National Front has not been annihilated.

(Pepe the Frog, on the other hand...)
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Alain Delors » Mon May 08, 2017 2:34 pm

Just read on French media that over 60% of Macron voters (!) don't even want him to gain a legislative majority - which means he almost certainly won't, because those who backed him as an alternative to Le Pen will vote for their primarily favored parties in the legislatives, perhaps even locking his candidates out of the runoff in various places.

I hope Gaullists win the legislatives and support him in his economic reforms on the national level while slamming the breaks on his EU-wide plans for economic 'harmonization' at the expense of the German taxpayer. I guess he's going to be a similarly unpopular President as Hollande, because he offers nothing new substance-wise. He might not drop to 4% approval like the incumbent, if only for his more appealing persona, but I don't see the hype as translating into long-term popularity.
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