French Presidential Election, 2017

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Who do you support for President of France?

François Fillon (LR)
5
10%
Benoit Hamon (PS)
4
8%
Emmanuel Macron (EM)
15
31%
François Bayrou (MoDem)
0
No votes
Jean-Luc Mélenchon (PdG)
9
18%
Marine Le Pen (FN)
15
31%
Other (please specify)
1
2%
 
Total votes : 49

Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby TPPDJT » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:05 pm

This article authored by Wilders shows some definite fascist tendencies and this article tries to confirm this.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Axxell » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:58 pm

Wow! Thanks for the first link, that statement... Like all the other far right movements I know. It is clear he act like a fascist! And him and his party, as well as in other nations, are arising thanks crisis time, social unrest, distrust of institutions, fears of the "enemy at the Gates" (with Benito the enemy was the bolsheviks, today the immigrants, islam, etc...).

The men and the peoples are so predictable... :|
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Axxell » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:11 pm

jamescfm wrote:
Axxell wrote:If we go to analyze in deep the term fascist, ok, Wilders is not fascist.

In what way is he not fascist?


Economic liberalism, less state and burocracy, absence of reactionary or denominational positions on civil rights and liberties, for the dutch.
But yes, he shows positions and tendences (xenophobia and nationalism) that we can judge as fascist, in the "general sense" of the term.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby MarkWill » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:23 pm

Axxell wrote:Economic liberalism, less state and burocracy, absence of reactionary or denominational positions on civil rights and liberties, for the dutch.


Axxell wrote:Economic liberalism, less state and burocracy, absence of reactionary or denominational positions on civil rights and liberties, for the white dutch.


There, I fixed it for you.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby jamescfm » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:50 pm

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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby General.M » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:51 pm

jamescfm wrote:
Axxell wrote:
jamescfm wrote:In what way is he not fascist?


Economic liberalism, less state and burocracy, absence of reactionary or denominational positions on civil rights and liberties, for the dutch.
But yes, he shows positions and tendences (xenophobia and nationalism) that we can judge as fascist, in the "general sense" of the term.

Surely you're not being serious? How can you suggest that he is in favour of 'less state' when we know he wants mosques shut down and the Koran confiscated. Likewise, economic liberalism and nationalism are somewhat opposed. If you support liberal economics, you would support measures like free movement of labour, goods and services- Wilders certainly does not.


Indeed Wilders isnt a less state supporter but he isnt a more state supporter either. Wilders was once a liberal of the VVD. He left because of his anti islam retoric and started his own PVV. At the beginning of the PVV they were liberals with anti immigration policies. But over the years the PVV found out that there was a broad market of voters with anti immigration tendecies on the left so he changed the economic direction of the party. Nowadays his party atracts voters from the socialists, liberals and conservatives. That is the reason his whole party is divided over all topics exept immigration. You cant call the PVV fascists, conservatives, liberals, socialists or something else. I would just call them weird.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby jamescfm » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:57 pm

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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby JuliaAJA » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:32 am

I skipped ahead to this page. Geert Wilders is too illiberal for my support. However, as far as France goes, I support Le Pen.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Reddy » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:22 am

40% are for LePen...interesting.
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Re: French Presidential Election, 2017

Postby Axxell » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:51 pm

MarkWill wrote:
Axxell wrote:Economic liberalism, less state and burocracy, absence of reactionary or denominational positions on civil rights and liberties, for the dutch.


Axxell wrote:Economic liberalism, less state and burocracy, absence of reactionary or denominational positions on civil rights and liberties, for the white dutch.


There, I fixed it for you.


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