UK General Election, 2017

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Who would/will you vote for in the UK general election on the 8th June?

Conservative Party
14
30%
Labour Party
16
35%
Liberal Democrats
6
13%
Green Party
1
2%
UK Independence Party
4
9%
Scottish National Party
3
7%
Plaid Cymru
1
2%
Other (please specify)
1
2%
 
Total votes : 46

Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby Pragma » Sat May 20, 2017 8:43 am

I personally agree with your reservations about Corbyn and his front bench, but I've got to ask...how much is Corbyn's unpopularity with the public due to Corbyn himself, and how much of it is due to the fact a large part of the Labour Party (including most of his parliamentary colleagues) are not very supportive of him? The thing is, the public like "strong leaders" and "united parties". Maybe if Labour was more united around Corbyn, he'd have a better chance with the electorate?


Probably, but still he's seen as weak and not Prime Minister material because he, among other things: refuses to entertain the idea of pressing the button; refuses to accept responsibility for protecting the Falklands; refuses to stake out that the UK should stay together; deflects to 'negotiation' whenever asked a foreign policy question (you can't negotiate with ISIS); chose a buffoon for Shadow Home Secretary; has his stooges paint the conservatives as some kind of sadistic reptilian monsters; scaremongers with the NHS then preaches about scaremongering with immigration; dresses like a homeless person; wants to damage our environment by reopening coal mines which would go bust almost immediately, while acting disgusted at people who going hunting; wants rent controls, which have never worked; takes Tory manifesto pledges like the triple lock and masquerades them as his own; and then he has a shadow chancellor who attends communist rallies, idolizes Marx, Trotsky and Lenin and called on employment minister Esther McVey to be lynched but then never didn't apologized. He'd just not a good leader.

What has Corbyn's personality got to do with the manifesto? I think you've basically agreed with me- the manifesto is generally popular.


The point of a manifesto is to make a party in an election more appealing. But the manifesto hasn't solved any of their main problems.
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Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby jamescfm » Sat May 20, 2017 10:24 am

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Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby Pragma » Sat May 20, 2017 10:37 am

jamescfm wrote:
QV73 wrote:The point of a manifesto is to make a party in an election more appealing. But the manifesto hasn't solved any of their main problems.

No it isn't, the point of a manifesto is to provide a detailed outline of a party's plans for government. Even if you were correct, your desperate obsession with Jeremy Corbyn seems to prevent you from actually reading what other people are saying. Your original comment was the manifesto wasnt popular outside 'the Corbyn clique', that's not true! General reception has been positive and there's been a slight betterment in polling numbers as a result.


A manifesto is an outline of a party's plans for government. That's not it's purpose, that's what it is. In practice it's supposed to boost the party.
And if he's the party leader, we should focus on him. You're trying to ignore his role in your party's bad poll numbers because he's your party's weakness.
I said it's not 'massively popular', not popular enough to get him into winning position.
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Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby Adithya » Sat May 20, 2017 10:48 am

But we can't deny that Labour seems to be going up in terms of popular vote in the polls.

They got 31.2% last time and IPSOS Mori is now placing the Labour at 34% up from 26 in the last poll.I believe they are taking away a lot of support from the lib Dems as their numbers seem to have gone down by 6% from the Last IPSOS Mori poll.

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http://ukpollingreport.co.uk

They have been consistently rising in the polls ever since the Campaign Started.At one point Labour was behind 24,but now they are down 15.So we can't write off Labour Yet.
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Re: UK General Election, 2017

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Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby Aquinas » Sat May 20, 2017 11:36 am

Labour front bench row over Trident commitment

We're in the middle of a General Election campaign, and Labour only released its manifesto days ago, yet already the Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Shadow Defence Secretary are squabbling in public over whether or not Labour is committed to Trident.

This encapsulates the whole problem with Labour at the moment. ie. Even if you're somebody who likes the Labour manifesto and likes Jeremy Corbyn, Labour is so divided it is difficult to have confidence that it is a serious party of government, or that it would actually be able to successfully implement its manifesto if elected.

Adithya wrote:So we can't write off Labour Yet.


Well, at this point I'm confident enough to stick my neck out and say I think we probably can, by which I mean, there is no way this election is going to return a majority Labour government.

However, what seems less clear is what the size of the Conservative majority will be. And this is where things get interesting. There are a lot of voters out there (and I include myself in this group) who do not think Labour is ready for government, but at the same time, do not want a Conservative landslide and do not want to see the Labour Party completely annihilated. Quite a few anti-Corbyn figures in the Labour Party have been appealing to this line of thinking. This could actually end up helping Labour, because a lot of voters who are disillusioned with Labour and do not want a Labour government will realise Labour can't win, and in the end, still vote for the party for tactical reasons.
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Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby Adithya » Sat May 20, 2017 11:47 am

Just like you,Aquinas I too want the Labour To Survive and prevent a Tory Supermajority.In my opinion,I believe that Anti Tory Voters must vote tactically.

If we take Kingston And Surbiton for example,it would be best to Vote Lib Dem.It is high time that the Centre Left Consolidates around Labour.The Right Wing Vote isn't divided as it was in 2015 as the UKIP is on its way to destruction.So the Tories are going to be strong for quite some time and the only way to possibly defeat them is by Forming A Coalition between Labour-LDs and Greens.
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Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby matthewleitch » Sat May 20, 2017 3:03 pm

I, personally, am a libertarian so vote conservative (but supported the remain in the EU campaign). I think the best thing that labour can do after this election is split in two. Have a socialist/corbynite party and have a centre-left/blairite party which merges with the lib dems, potentially called the liberals or the democrats or something. That is the only way that a left/centre-left party has any chance of getting a government, whether that be party or coalition, in either 2027 or 2032
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Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby matthewleitch » Sat May 20, 2017 3:03 pm

I, personally, am a libertarian so vote conservative (but supported the remain in the EU campaign). I think the best thing that labour can do after this election is split in two. Have a socialist/corbynite party and have a centre-left/blairite party which merges with the lib dems, potentially called the liberals or the democrats or something. That is the only way that a left/centre-left party has any chance of getting a government, whether that be party or coalition, in either 2027 or 2032
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Re: UK General Election, 2017

Postby Adithya » Sat May 20, 2017 4:11 pm

I don't think it will be that long for the centre left to recover.They will be back very soon :D
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