Swedish General Election, 2018

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Which party would you vote for?

Social Democrats (S)
11
22%
Sweden Democrats (SD)
17
33%
Moderate Party (M)
3
6%
Centre Party (C)
4
8%
Left Party (V)
7
14%
Liberal Party (L)
4
8%
Green Party (MP)
3
6%
Christian Democrats (KD)
1
2%
Feminist Initiative (F!)
0
No votes
Other
1
2%
 
Total votes : 51

Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby Elf » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:34 am

Hrafn wrote:I think KD is more likely to become SD-lite than M is.
They have to. No matter how afraid of conflict the noncomformist churches are nowaydays, there are simply no tangible group voters who social justice or open borders who want to vote for anything that's associated with the name of Christ. Maybe 50 years ago, but not now. My closest family is left-wing and most would rather vote for any party except SD before KD. I actually reflected over that back in 2010 when KD was supporting the Tories in the UK election... ehh but the Tories are probably closer to SD if you only talk about policies that is (not history/heritage).

Hrafn wrote:Funnily enough, Åkesson has now officially declared that SD and S are more natural partners than SD and M. Well, someone would first have to assassinate Löfven then :lol:
I was a bit surprised honestly, given how it contradicts the party's development for the last three or more years, but it probably wouldn't be a good strategy to just accept a centre-right government without demanding something either, of course.

Hrafn wrote:Åkesson also mentioned on the congress that they will campaign for repatriation. Very good. It might make them sound like "nazis" and scare off some Svensson-types for now, but in the long run the shifting of the centre will make such ideas mainstream. SD should keep going more hardline.

Tbh... unless he or you or whoever are suggesting repatriation based on ethnicity, saying that there's need for repatriation isn't that 'radical'. During the so-called refugee crisis we had like 50% going underground immediately. We have no idea who we have inside our borders... well one of them killed four people last year (I was quite close when it happened... had to walk through the entire city from my job...).

sylence wrote:The swedes do not take to an extrovert, manifest, parading nationalism, but in their stubborn silent way are probably the most nationalistic people in the world.
Fully agree, and oddly enough it's all based on lies or based on how things were in the post-WWII era when Sweden wasn't in ruins because we had bended over to Hitler. A close family member just called me complaining about how getting an appointment this week for re-bandaging a wound (that can risk getting infected if done wrong) after a tumour operation wouldn't be possible until next Tuesday. In Stockholm. The capital. Our public services are a good example of corporatism rather than socialism, and ironically even the US. public sector might be more humane in some instances since they have food stamps for those at the absolute bottom, to get welfare over here you have to apply for jobs for a month first (not that demanding people on welfare searching for jobs isn't somewhat sensible ofc).

Another huge irony are the Orwellian reports showing that we are "corruption-free". Well, what would be called corruption in other countries is legal in Sweden - the Moderate party leader for instance, got exclusive apartment contracts twice through personal friends, one from a charity that's supposed to have those available for abused women and their children (!) and the other from a company he'd just sold a lot of municipal apartments to, back when he was responsible for social affairs here in Stockholm city. And no one cares. In other countries people would have demanded his head on a plate. Here's a good movie on the subject of Sweden's rampant corruption (English Subs):



Sd is an update of the Swedish ideology - Social democracy - an update that takes account of the reality of the present world. An ambition not to speak nonsense, but to realize real circumstances and limitations.
There is the old SD and the new humbled down Sd.
I agree to an extent, but to be fair - the SD nowadays is more centre-right economically nowadays, especially if you compare it with its sister parties in Denmark and Finland. I think it's destined to eventually become somewhat integrated into the rest of the centre-right. Quite a few are taking about Paula Bieler (who is of Polish-Jewish descent) as the potential next party leader, and she seems pretty libertarian imho, apart from being pro-life. Might well be a place for another more radical party in the lines of Front National soon. Basically you have two sorts of anti-immigration voters: former centre-right people who wanna defend classical liberal and socially conservative values, and former social democrats who want to protect the welfare state for the native Swedes. They don't quite fit into the same party.. although at the moment one might argue that toughening up restrictions on immigration might accomplish both to an extent.

Why do these misfit boys (for the original Sd:er is a boy) love Sweden so much? Their love is not requited.
They apparently had the capacity to think for themselves in school etc, so they could not just bleat with the flock. They found the cracks and the nonsense in the PC-talk, so they didn't get good grades, could not submit to it.

So how in the hell did they get the idea that the answer to this is to - Love Sweden?
So these boys could think, but it didn't prevent them from committing themselves to a paradox. Sd loves Sweden. Sweden hates Sd.
I would never commit myself to courting a lady for 20 years, just getting spat on and railed at, and called a loser, and evil, and in the end she just takes my money (accepts my ideas!), and continues to despise me.

In the end one must always adapt to reality. The same PC-nonsense cannot go on forever, must reach a cliff, and reinterpret its formulas.
And so it has, and we have seen how easy it is for the old SD just to transform themselves over a night and use the same policies as they the day before branded as racism and nazism. The swedes are so fatuous, they can do such tricks without a sense of contradiction and dishonour.
The sedate, compulsory braggery will continue. That is permanent.

Alright - I paint a much simplified picture, for sure. But one must start somewhere saying something about these things, and then one must stop somewhere, and now I have written long enough - just as a reflection upon that first sentence.
I'd rather argue that Swedes, in a tradition probably dating back to the Lutheran fundamentalism of the 16'th century which sort of "morphed" into the Social democratic welfare state, are notoriously conformist and afraid of conflict, and change their opinions as fast as their leaders do. People over here are also notoriously afraid of simply talking to each other or expressing any kind of feelings... that's why I, if I was a millionary, I'd probably go enjoy myself in Italy or Croatia or whatever... :lol: (Israel could be a good candidate too btw)

I think there's quite a big danger calling anything to the right of the U.S. Democrats fascism or nazism - in that people stop taking such accusations seriously after a while. You can see this quite clearly in some facebook groups and such, when confronting people linking to actual white supremacist or anti-Semitic stuff, you might get replies like "but the P. C. people say the same about SD as well". The supposed return of the actual far-right becomes like a self-fulfilling prophecy. :roll:
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby sylence » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:34 pm

Shockingly well spoken again, Sir Elf!

I realize I took off a bit too off-topic.
I'm new to Particracy and this forum. I'll look around a bit, as I have time, and hope to see more of you, Elf.

And Hrafn, again... Grönne Radicaler is needed back in Kazulia. It would be interesting to see how you will behave. The fascist party is our biggest, but are isolated. Will GR be the support they need? :|
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby Hrafn » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:34 am

Elf wrote:
sylence wrote:The swedes do not take to an extrovert, manifest, parading nationalism, but in their stubborn silent way are probably the most nationalistic people in the world.
Fully agree, and oddly enough it's all based on lies or based on how things were in the post-WWII era when Sweden wasn't in ruins because we had bended over to Hitler.

Sorry, but this narrative is just more guilt propaganda against us. Firstly, Sweden was hardly the only country in Europe that wasn't in ruins after WWII, secondly there is no reason to believe that Sweden would have been "in ruins" if Germany had occupied us (Norway and Denmark certainly weren't), thirdly the German troop transports through Sweden were going to Finland, a country struggling to not become a Soviet Republic - if anything what we should be ashamed of is that we didn't help the finns more, and finally we actually poured a lot of resources into our own military defenses - it's not like we just sat back and had a wonderful time while the war was raging around us. Also, we had a much smaller industrial base to begin with than Germany, France or Britain had, so the war actually closed their head-start, rather than gave us one.

The idea that we owe our wealth only to having avoided WWII and to have sold iron ore to Germany is another of these lies or semi-lies meant to guilt-trip us into giving away our country. Sweden got rich because of a strong work ethic, relatively free markets in combination with successful state investments in key industries, and our top-notch scientists and engineers, in combination with our natural resources.

Of course, the SocDems claim that we got rich thanks to progressive taxation and welfare spending, even though we actually had among the world's lowest tax rates in the 50s and 60s. :lol:

Elf wrote:People over here are also notoriously afraid of simply talking to each other or expressing any kind of feelings...

Stop hanging out with middle-class pussies then, ffs :lol:
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby Hrafn » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:34 am

sylence wrote:Shockingly well spoken again, Sir Elf!

I realize I took off a bit too off-topic.
I'm new to Particracy and this forum. I'll look around a bit, as I have time, and hope to see more of you, Elf.

And Hrafn, again... Grönne Radicaler is needed back in Kazulia. It would be interesting to see how you will behave. The fascist party is our biggest, but are isolated. Will GR be the support they need? :|

Ugh.. school work. We'll see later.
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby Elf » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:00 pm

Hrafn wrote:Sorry, but this narrative is just more guilt propaganda against us. Firstly, Sweden was hardly the only country in Europe that wasn't in ruins after WWII, secondly there is no reason to believe that Sweden would have been "in ruins" if Germany had occupied us (Norway and Denmark certainly weren't), thirdly the German troop transports through Sweden were going to Finland, a country struggling to not become a Soviet Republic - if anything what we should be ashamed of is that we didn't help the finns more, and finally we actually poured a lot of resources into our own military defenses - it's not like we just sat back and had a wonderful time while the war was raging around us. Also, we had a much smaller industrial base to begin with than Germany, France or Britain had, so the war actually closed their head-start, rather than gave us one.

The idea that we owe our wealth only to having avoided WWII and to have sold iron ore to Germany is another of these lies or semi-lies meant to guilt-trip us into giving away our country. Sweden got rich because of a strong work ethic, relatively free markets in combination with successful state investments in key industries, and our top-notch scientists and engineers, in combination with our natural resources.

Of course, the SocDems claim that we got rich thanks to progressive taxation and welfare spending, even though we actually had among the world's lowest tax rates in the 50s and 60s. :lol:
Hmm... good point. I mean Western Germany did quite well too after the war thanks to the policies of Willhelm Röpke (whose ideas are still relevant today imho). And our economic system is still partly more liberal than most of Europe, with no minimum wage and a big degree of free trade.

It's embarrassing for someone who likes history a lot, but I literally had no idea that the German troops were going to Finland and not to Norway. :? Always thought it was "our great betrayal" of our Nordic siblings or something. The Finland thing is somewhat bizarre with Finish Jews being offered the iron cross on at least three occasions (all refused), a good-looking Jewish nurse getting love letters from wounded Germans apologizing for their country's behaviour and syndicalists and all sorts of anti-stalinist leftist Swedes volunteering to fight the Soviets. Think of how much better the world could have been if the Nazis hadn't been eh... Nazis... Even Poles, Ukrainians and non-communist Russians would likely have signed up if it wasn't for all the lebensraum and master race nonsense.

Speaking of Finland and Nazis.. hear they've finally banned the neo-nazi Nordic Resistance Movement after they beat a guy to death. This group has been getting a lot of attention in the media s of recently, but is neither new nor very large (around 500 people at most). I remember about 10 years ago, me and friend were laughing at clips where their leader screaming that he wanted to chase people with whips and spiked clubs. Could have made a fine Monthy Python sketch if he wasn't serious. Some may say "if we ban nazis we should ban antifa/revolutionary communists/islamists as well". Yeah.. exactly. ;)

For a country known for liking regulations, there are almost no regulations at all surrounding neither political parties nor NGO:s in Sweden - (that's also partly why the SD could just kick out their youth group through a quite 'liberal' interpretation of their bye-laws) probably because the Social Democrats wanted to keep it that way when they dominated people's lives through their sister orgs from the cradle to the grave. You could just make up a list with your pals and it would technically be a legal voting ticket. IIRC they don't even have to agree to it. :mrgreen:
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby Hrafn » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:17 pm

Elf wrote:that's also partly why the SD could just kick out their youth group through a quite 'liberal' interpretation of their bye-laws

Yeah, they kicked them out because the party-leadership don't want competition from any up-starts. So they made up some bullshit excuse about the Youth wing having been taken over by "identitarians". Meanwhile, Mattias Karlsson regularly reads Motpol but he gets to stay for some reason.
Once Jimmie Åkesson retires, SD will collapse, because they've kicked out all the other competent and carismatic people.

This is the kind of thing that makes me not want to be a member of this shitty party.
We need our own National Front indeed, if nothing else then at least to give SD some competition.
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby Elf » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:22 pm

Hrafn wrote:
Elf wrote:that's also partly why the SD could just kick out their youth group through a quite 'liberal' interpretation of their bye-laws

Yeah, they kicked them out because the party-leadership don't want competition from any up-starts. So they made up some bullshit excuse about the Youth wing having been taken over by "identitarians". Meanwhile, Mattias Karlsson regularly reads Motpol but he gets to stay for some reason.
Once Jimmie Åkesson retires, SD will collapse, because they've kicked out all the other competent and carismatic people.

This is the kind of thing that makes me not want to be a member of this shitty party.
We need our own National Front indeed, if nothing else then at least to give SD some competition.
I disagree. I think there were substantial ideological but also tactical differences between the two, which has become all too obvious after the break as well. Also while maybe Kasselstrand is indeed quite charismatic, in some cases a lot of that “competence” seemed to be either special snowflake stuff or outright lies. After the coup in SD Stockholm the remnants of William Hahne's “expert” board started to reward themselves with big sums of money, the chairman was a “business profile” with like 11 errands with the enforcement authority. :roll: Nice titles doesn't necessary make one competent or suitable for political office. Dr. Rickard Wall holds a Doctorate in Political Economy and is not made for existing inside furnished rooms. :lol:

Hmm... I doubt it. Jimmie has never been the kind of central charismatic figure for his party that Trump, Wilders, Haider etc. is or was. SD will do just fine with Mattias Karlsson, Paula Bieler, Richard Jomshof, Aron Emilsson and the others at the top. However it will be a different type of party with a slightly different clientele, the kind of party that somewhat 'respectable' but still somewhat 'controversial' centre-right people like Ivar Arpi could join and one that could join the ECR group in Europe. While Ekeroth (just look at his latest article in Samhällsnytt...), Söder etc. might end up somewhere else, as will a big part of the “Sweden friendly movement”, I predict... It's actually not worthy hating each other over, Sweden has been so extreme from an international context that everything from the Tories to the Golden Dawn could be considered 'far-right', and that spectrum is simply to big for one party. It might well be that there's also a place for something closer to Front National and that the SDU could build one. Honestly, I don't doubt that the infrastructure is there, however I have a feeling that this trend of a lot of people considering themselves as the best thing since sliced bread could make party building a bit complicated...

And simply reading Motpol doesn't mean you agree with everything there. I recently read Proletären's (Stalinist party's paper) tourist review of North Korea because it interested me. :mrgreen:
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby Hrafn » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:48 am

Speaking of kicking people out, the Left Party has kicked out Amineh Kakabaveh for her anti-islamic stance and her campaign against multicultural oppression of girls in the immigrant ghettos. Of course, that the Left Party's "feminism" is in reality only hatred against white european men is no news.

Apparently, Amineh got into trouble already a year ago when she shared an anti-islam parody video by Nordisk Ungdom (a nationalist activist group), seemingly unaware of who NU are or that the video was a parody. It seems half the times this kind of thing happens it involves iranians. :mrgreen:
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby Elf » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:24 pm

Hrafn wrote:Speaking of kicking people out, the Left Party has kicked out Amineh Kakabaveh for her anti-islamic stance and her campaign against multicultural oppression of girls in the immigrant ghettos. Of course, that the Left Party's "feminism" is in reality only hatred against white european men is no news.

Apparently, Amineh got into trouble already a year ago when she shared an anti-islam parody video by Nordisk Ungdom (a nationalist activist group), seemingly unaware of who NU are or that the video was a parody. It seems half the times this kind of thing happens it involves iranians. :mrgreen:
I have relatives who attended that meeting with the Left party here in Stockholm (yeh, lot of fun stuff to discuss for family dinners lol...), afaik what happened was a 'compromise' that actually put her on the list but way down so. Made both sides happy. Kinda.

Never go politics if you wanna have your soul intact. :roll: :lol:

As for that clip - it had Svt:s logo (Sweden's BBC) on it, and if she found it on facebook there wouldn't necessary have been any way to tell who the sender was, especially if you don't speak Somali. :roll:
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Re: Swedish General Election, 2018

Postby MichaelReilly » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:19 pm

Hrafn wrote:the Left Party's "feminism" is in reality only hatred against white european men is no news.


You white European men are so oppressed.

How do you even get out of bed in the morning with all that persecution you're the victim of?
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