European Parliament election, 2019

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Which party group do you support?

European People's Party group
1
4%
Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats
5
18%
European Conservatives and Reformists
5
18%
Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
6
21%
European United Left–Nordic Green Left
1
4%
Greens–European Free Alliance
1
4%
Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy
3
11%
Europe of Nations and Freedom
3
11%
Will vote for a group-less party
0
No votes
Do not live in an EU country
3
11%
 
Total votes : 28

European Parliament election, 2019

Postby Hrafn » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:51 pm

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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby Aethan » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:27 pm

Well, obviously not the EPP and not the ECR, or the ALDE. Hope the ENF dissapears from parliament (a group that comprises the FPÖ, the Flemish Interest, the Front National, the AfD...no thanks no while I live in Europe) andddd probably will vote the Greens, but I'd have to read further, as I really want some changes in the EU (and please, not coming from the ENF group), and I don't think the Greens can push much further
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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby Hrafn » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:03 am

Honestly I think that the EU will already have imploded by then.
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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby Elf » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:22 am

I have info from people who know what they're talking about that parts of the remnants (after Brexit) of EFDD and ECR are already discussing a merge. SD wanted to go ECR already last time after all, but wasn't accepted. With Tories out of the way.. perhaps another big centre-right party will step in and be the group's source of 'legitimacy', like Forza Italia (however Fidesz is probably closer to ENF already, honestly :lol: )?

I like the ECR group, feels like a promising forum for modern European conservatism. Sadly, turning the EU into a strictly intergovernmental (rather than supranational) body is something that won't happen outside of the dream world, though... :roll:

My respect for the EFDD group (which I previously mostly kinda saw as little more than a placeholder organization for parties that weren't accepted in the ECR and didn't want to be in the ENF) did however significantly improve after the Catalan crisis... and if they'd continue to exist, it could potentially become an important voice for more libertarian/direct democratic streaks of right-wing parties.

Feels kinda odd to see PVV with Vlaams Belang and Front National... but I guess Gert takes the anti-islam thing a bit too far to be welcome anywhere else.
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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby PaleRider » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:29 pm

I would be really torn as a European voter between the EPP and ALDE
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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby Elf » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:53 pm

PaleRider wrote:I would be really torn as a European voter between the EPP and ALDE
Fortunately, none of the groups don't quite work like parties (yet). Huge difference from country to country, some eastern european social democrats are more nationalistic than our right-wing parties, our Moderate Party (who are like the LibDems or something) together with die hard anti-abortion Maltan Christian Dmeocrats and Hungary's Fidesz, nationalists in countries like the Netherlands are socially liberal, etc.

Why would you do that, though? At least consider ECR. :(
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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby GreekIdiot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:25 pm

Elf wrote:
PaleRider wrote:I would be really torn as a European voter between the EPP and ALDE

Fortunately, none of the groups don't quite work like parties (yet).


Not necessarily that being a good thing.

There's definitely going to be a problem between mis/disinformation and issues of freedom of speech this time.

edit; No "won't vote" option? How biased and targeted.
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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby Elf » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:14 am

GreekIdiot wrote:
Elf wrote:Fortunately, none of the groups don't quite work like parties (yet).


Not necessarily that being a good thing.

There's definitely going to be a problem between mis/disinformation and issues of freedom of speech this time.

edit; No "won't vote" option? How biased and targeted.
Like our countries in general, the political parties affiliated with each group are way to different to function as single parties. Some of the socialist parties in the east are more nationalist than our nationalist parties. You'd have Fidesz in Hungary or democracy beating Spanish right-wingers, or Berlusconi, in the same political party as Merkel or social liberals like Sweden's Moderate party. Doesn't work.

Once the EU shatters however, we could probably work something out here in the North were we have similar culture/economics etc.. and embyro already exists in the Nordic Council. :)
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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby Alain Delors » Thu May 03, 2018 8:21 am

I guess this time around I'll have to take a pass on voting for the party I've been a loyal member of for years in the European elections - I'm not gonna assist that Europhile extremist Guy Verhofstadt in his bid for Commission president (and it does look like ALDE is poised for some big gains). I'm obviously also not going to vote for the CDU either, since prospective EPP Spitzenkandidat Barnier is by no means better. I'd like to strengthen the ECR, but its German affiliate (the AfD break-away "Liberal-Conservative Reformers", which includes my favorite German MEP Hans-Olaf Henkel) is pathetically weak. I might actually end up voting AfD - they have their fair bunch of crazies,but assuming that Jörg Meuthen - more of a Eurorealist - remains in the EP I'd like to strengthen his hand.
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Re: European Parliament election, 2019

Postby Elf » Thu May 03, 2018 9:35 am

Alain Delors wrote:I guess this time around I'll have to take a pass on voting for the party I've been a loyal member of for years in the European elections - I'm not gonna assist that Europhile extremist Guy Verhofstadt in his bid for Commission president (and it does look like ALDE is poised for some big gains). I'm obviously also not going to vote for the CDU either, since prospective EPP Spitzenkandidat Barnier is by no means better. I'd like to strengthen the ECR, but its German affiliate (the AfD break-away "Liberal-Conservative Reformers", which includes my favorite German MEP Hans-Olaf Henkel) is pathetically weak. I might actually end up voting AfD - they have their fair bunch of crazies,but assuming that Jörg Meuthen - more of a Eurorealist - remains in the EP I'd like to strengthen his hand.
It strikes me as strange how the AfD seems to be going far to the right, ie. Front National-esque, Putinist etc. I would have thought that Germany of all countries should have a firm breeding ground for a pro-Western Eurosceptic/anti-establishment movement which wants to protect liberal democracy, secularism and the German constitution... :|
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