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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby Aquinas » Fri May 19, 2017 10:48 pm

http://classic.particracy.net/viewparty ... tyid=29250

Querying Cultural Protocol compliance, given English character names in party description.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby Corvo Attano » Sun May 21, 2017 1:18 pm

Cultural protocol that follows no logic and disregards all previous cultural protocols
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=493848

Proposed Cultural protocols that follows history and previous culutral protocols.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=520065

Do you approve?
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby SelucianCrusader » Mon May 22, 2017 6:27 am

MichaelV wrote:http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=514697
The bill, in which the legislature of Lourenne supports the Cultural Protocol change by 3/4th of all players and 75,7% of all seats.

Here the cultural protocol itself:
NEW PROPOSED VERSION:http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=512338

Thanks in advance!

While the protocols themselves pose no problem, the way you've passed them, including the fact that you haven't been open about the culturally open status of the country (which Moderation has warned you previously about) will make me turn your request down. The incorrect bill about the former protocols (which moderation has previously warned you about) has been removed. Please note that such behaviour may lead to sanction in the future.

1.6 Players have a responsibility to make a reasonable effort to be accurate when communicating the rules to other players. Any player who manipulatively misleads another player about the rules will be subject to sanction.


You will have to pass a new bill providing other players with correct information. And please do pass the bill itself and not a bill about the bill - even though it doesn't really matter, the later can lead to allegations about receiving 'special treatment' from moderation.

Corvo Attano wrote:Cultural protocol that follows no logic and disregards all previous cultural protocols
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=493848

Proposed Cultural protocols that follows history and previous culutral protocols.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=520065

Do you approve?

I need to hear Reddy's thoughts on this one (he's been contacted). You're effectively Luthoranizing PT's only culturally protected sort-of equivalent of India.

Regarding previous cultural protocols - a good read for Malivian players would be the country's very first cultural protocols.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby jamescfm » Mon May 22, 2017 6:30 am

Just a quick note, the Malivian proposal doesn't seem to list the real-life equivalents very clearly.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby SelucianCrusader » Mon May 22, 2017 6:51 am

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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby Corvo Attano » Mon May 22, 2017 8:07 am

SelucianCrusader wrote:
Corvo Attano wrote:Cultural protocol that follows no logic and disregards all previous cultural protocols
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=493848

Proposed Cultural protocols that follows history and previous culutral protocols.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=520065

Do you approve?

I need to hear Reddy's thoughts on this one (he's been contacted). You're effectively Luthoranizing PT's only culturally protected sort-of equivalent of India.

Regarding previous cultural protocols - a good read for Malivian players would be the country's very first cultural protocols.


I know and I like playing as a Indian inspired state but I am following the continuation of the 3750~3900 protocols not doing willy nilly.

I simply wish to state that the last 2 cultural protocols make no sense. Read them they say we were a Luthorian colony and completed disregarded all past cultural protocols and the nations history.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby Reddy » Mon May 22, 2017 11:15 am

Corvo Attano wrote:
SelucianCrusader wrote:
Corvo Attano wrote:Cultural protocol that follows no logic and disregards all previous cultural protocols
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=493848

Proposed Cultural protocols that follows history and previous culutral protocols.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=520065

Do you approve?

I need to hear Reddy's thoughts on this one (he's been contacted). You're effectively Luthoranizing PT's only culturally protected sort-of equivalent of India.

Regarding previous cultural protocols - a good read for Malivian players would be the country's very first cultural protocols.


I know and I like playing as a Indian inspired state but I am following the continuation of the 3750~3900 protocols not doing willy nilly.

I simply wish to state that the last 2 cultural protocols make no sense. Read them they say we were a Luthorian colony and completed disregarded all past cultural protocols and the nations history.


Apologies for my delayed weigh-in, I had a personal emergency.

I agree with what Selcru said. The new Cultural protocols were adopted after the country became culturally open. There is no strict obligation on players creating new CPs to acknowledge the effects of previous RP although this may be considered by Moderation as a factor in the process of approving a new Cultural Protocol. The players who adopted those CPs which you contest did carry out some extensive RP regarding the change.

Your proposal makes very drastic changes which are only permitted in exceptional circumstances. Such circumstances are simply not present in this case. My advice is to make gradual changes as are permitted under the Game Rules and re-introduce thee particular ethnic groups which you favour. Alternatively you can introduce a new set of CPs as per section 17 of the Game Rules but this can only happen if the country is declared Culturally Open first under section 15.

16.5 As a general convention, players should be able to provide good reasons if they want to significantly change Cultural Protocols which are less than 30 in-game years old. Where the Cultural Protocols are more than 30 in-game years old, then a change to any of the categories by 5% or less will generally be accepted without question. If the changes proposed are between 5 and 10%, then players should be prepared for the possibility of having the changes queried. If the changes proposed are over 10%, then players should always expect to need to provide strong role-play justification for the changes. Changes of over 15% will never be accepted unless the grounds for justification are exceptional.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby MichaelV » Thu May 25, 2017 10:43 am

SelucianCrusader wrote:
MichaelV wrote:http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=514697
The bill, in which the legislature of Lourenne supports the Cultural Protocol change by 3/4th of all players and 75,7% of all seats.

Here the cultural protocol itself:
NEW PROPOSED VERSION:http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=512338

Thanks in advance!

While the protocols themselves pose no problem, the way you've passed them, including the fact that you haven't been open about the culturally open status of the country (which Moderation has warned you previously about) will make me turn your request down. The incorrect bill about the former protocols (which moderation has previously warned you about) has been removed. Please note that such behaviour may lead to sanction in the future.

1.6 Players have a responsibility to make a reasonable effort to be accurate when communicating the rules to other players. Any player who manipulatively misleads another player about the rules will be subject to sanction.


You will have to pass a new bill providing other players with correct information. And please do pass the bill itself and not a bill about the bill - even though it doesn't really matter, the later can lead to allegations about receiving 'special treatment' from moderation.

Corvo Attano wrote:Cultural protocol that follows no logic and disregards all previous cultural protocols
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=493848

Proposed Cultural protocols that follows history and previous culutral protocols.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=520065

Do you approve?

I need to hear Reddy's thoughts on this one (he's been contacted). You're effectively Luthoranizing PT's only culturally protected sort-of equivalent of India.

Regarding previous cultural protocols - a good read for Malivian players would be the country's very first cultural protocols.


I didn't mention the culturally open status of the nation and I apologise for that.
Furthermore, I would like to inform you that the ''The incorrect bill about the former protocols'' wasn't mine and that I was trying to propose a new because of the fact that the old (not even working) one could be removed.

Now we've cleared that, I'm planning to propose a new bill, in which I clearly describe that the nation was first a culturally open country and that if this bill passes, the nation won't be anymore. Please check the bill out to see if I missed something:
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php

At last: I'm pretty proud of the fact that the bill has been created before 4200 (4198), so I was hoping that you would allow me to create another bill instead of putting the cultural protocol itself to a vote ;)

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby Corvo Attano » Thu May 25, 2017 10:50 am

I read the rules and propose this updated protocols in Malivia
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=520280
The changes I made were introducing a small dundorfian community to follow our history and very small minorities of neighboring states in the demographics and small religious changes. The RP reason for not having this already is after the collapse and cultural shift the state was well collapsed and didn't do censuses correctly.


Old protocols
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=493848
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby SelucianCrusader » Thu May 25, 2017 1:38 pm

MichaelV wrote:
SelucianCrusader wrote:
MichaelV wrote:http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=514697
The bill, in which the legislature of Lourenne supports the Cultural Protocol change by 3/4th of all players and 75,7% of all seats.

Here the cultural protocol itself:
NEW PROPOSED VERSION:http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=512338

Thanks in advance!

While the protocols themselves pose no problem, the way you've passed them, including the fact that you haven't been open about the culturally open status of the country (which Moderation has warned you previously about) will make me turn your request down. The incorrect bill about the former protocols (which moderation has previously warned you about) has been removed. Please note that such behaviour may lead to sanction in the future.

1.6 Players have a responsibility to make a reasonable effort to be accurate when communicating the rules to other players. Any player who manipulatively misleads another player about the rules will be subject to sanction.


You will have to pass a new bill providing other players with correct information. And please do pass the bill itself and not a bill about the bill - even though it doesn't really matter, the later can lead to allegations about receiving 'special treatment' from moderation.

Corvo Attano wrote:Cultural protocol that follows no logic and disregards all previous cultural protocols
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=493848

Proposed Cultural protocols that follows history and previous culutral protocols.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=520065

Do you approve?

I need to hear Reddy's thoughts on this one (he's been contacted). You're effectively Luthoranizing PT's only culturally protected sort-of equivalent of India.

Regarding previous cultural protocols - a good read for Malivian players would be the country's very first cultural protocols.


I didn't mention the culturally open status of the nation and I apologise for that.
Furthermore, I would like to inform you that the ''The incorrect bill about the former protocols'' wasn't mine and that I was trying to propose a new because of the fact that the old (not even working) one could be removed.

Now we've cleared that, I'm planning to propose a new bill, in which I clearly describe that the nation was first a culturally open country and that if this bill passes, the nation won't be anymore. Please check the bill out to see if I missed something:
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php

At last: I'm pretty proud of the fact that the bill has been created before 4200 (4198), so I was hoping that you would allow me to create another bill instead of putting the cultural protocol itself to a vote ;)

Thanks in advance!
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It's okay, but the link you posted doesn't work... :mrgreen:

Corvo Attano wrote:I read the rules and propose this updated protocols in Malivia
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=520280
The changes I made were introducing a small dundorfian community to follow our history and very small minorities of neighboring states in the demographics and small religious changes. The RP reason for not having this already is after the collapse and cultural shift the state was well collapsed and didn't do censuses correctly.


Old protocols
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=493848
All right. Looks okay to me, but I'll still want to hear Reddy's opinion. =)
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