SlavaD wrote:Having been alerted to this via a message IG, I do think that the proposed cultural group for Davostan is bizarre.
I have proposed in the past the establishment of a new cultural protocol but it has been bogged down in disagreement among the players in the country. I don't think it will get anywhere. But when I developed the proposal for the cultural protocol, I sought to reflect the centuries of IG history that I saw from different elections, different parties taking over Davostan from the Imperial Dark Rome, and indeed the long-standing tradition that Imperial Dark Rome has maintained in Davostan for the better part of a decade on Particracy. The proposed cultures for Davostan ignore all of that and deny the nation the creative and diverse approach that it deserves. I don't think it is logical for Davostan's players to consent to a complete retconning of what has happened. There has been a consistent but visible trend of a group of players taking over Davostan from Imperial Dark Rome, molding the nation into whatever they want (with as much variety as what seemed to be a Game of Thrones-inspired monarchistic system where various parties were in fact Houses, to simply trying to create a Spanish culture), and then eventually leaving/going inactive and Imperial Dark Rome resetting the country exactly where it was. Nowhere has there been any significant Finnish presence in this thread, and none of the cultural protocols proposed for Davostan that I have seen developed by players before me proposed Finnish as the country's culture. I personally have conceived the mainland Davostanis as a confederation of steppe tribes that maintain strong ties to a dark and complicated religion with various degrees of extremity. This cultural background, and the crusader/colonizer narrative to explain the substantial times where different cultures were forcibly implemented in Davostan by other players, made and continues to make the most logical sense to me. It would be nice to have Imperial Dark Rome's input here at this stage, but he seems scarcely willing to communicate on this matters. In any case, I think this approach is far more respectful of what has happened per simple game mechanics, what has been in the wiki, and what players in the past have sought to achieve. Put the Finns elsewhere please.
Edit: I will add that if the goal is to centralize things and make them have a bit more sense, it would perhaps be more beneficial to also look into more probable linguistic/ethnic divergences for neighboring countries. Seems a bit strange to have Japanese and Mayan right next to each other!
FPC wrote:SlavaD wrote:Having been alerted to this via a message IG, I do think that the proposed cultural group for Davostan is bizarre.
I have proposed in the past the establishment of a new cultural protocol but it has been bogged down in disagreement among the players in the country. I don't think it will get anywhere. But when I developed the proposal for the cultural protocol, I sought to reflect the centuries of IG history that I saw from different elections, different parties taking over Davostan from the Imperial Dark Rome, and indeed the long-standing tradition that Imperial Dark Rome has maintained in Davostan for the better part of a decade on Particracy. The proposed cultures for Davostan ignore all of that and deny the nation the creative and diverse approach that it deserves. I don't think it is logical for Davostan's players to consent to a complete retconning of what has happened. There has been a consistent but visible trend of a group of players taking over Davostan from Imperial Dark Rome, molding the nation into whatever they want (with as much variety as what seemed to be a Game of Thrones-inspired monarchistic system where various parties were in fact Houses, to simply trying to create a Spanish culture), and then eventually leaving/going inactive and Imperial Dark Rome resetting the country exactly where it was. Nowhere has there been any significant Finnish presence in this thread, and none of the cultural protocols proposed for Davostan that I have seen developed by players before me proposed Finnish as the country's culture. I personally have conceived the mainland Davostanis as a confederation of steppe tribes that maintain strong ties to a dark and complicated religion with various degrees of extremity. This cultural background, and the crusader/colonizer narrative to explain the substantial times where different cultures were forcibly implemented in Davostan by other players, made and continues to make the most logical sense to me. It would be nice to have Imperial Dark Rome's input here at this stage, but he seems scarcely willing to communicate on this matters. In any case, I think this approach is far more respectful of what has happened per simple game mechanics, what has been in the wiki, and what players in the past have sought to achieve. Put the Finns elsewhere please.
Edit: I will add that if the goal is to centralize things and make them have a bit more sense, it would perhaps be more beneficial to also look into more probable linguistic/ethnic divergences for neighboring countries. Seems a bit strange to have Japanese and Mayan right next to each other!
Hi the current cultural map is gonna be updated tommorow and I believe Davostan changes in order to accomodate and certain element of fantasy RP. We are happy to take a look at the wider culture aswell however I think if we are implementing fantasy a celtic, hungarian, finnish culture would be very intrestiing. However I would love to hear what you think about the specific RL culture you would like in Davostan. We are happy to accommodate a steppe tribes feel but I feel the tribes culture and naming conventions must come from somewhere.
And now we're installing a fantasy nation next to Hutori and Telamon with trolls, elves, warlocks, fire-breathing dragons, unicorns, wizards, fairies, goblins...?
>> Hawu (African American): 80%
>> Esinsundu-Malivian-Hawu (Afro-Caribbean): 15%
>> Other: 5%
FPC wrote:To begin, the German aspect of Hawu Mehemes has been altogether removed, tomorrow we are publically replacing the current map with a draft set of Cultural Descriptions for each nation that are *based* off of the current map. As it stands at the moment Hawu is defined as follows:>> Hawu (African American): 80%
>> Esinsundu-Malivian-Hawu (Afro-Caribbean): 15%
>> Other: 5%
With regards to Davostan there has long been an element of fantsay in that nation, obviously we are not gonna allow over the top ridiculousness. However we are considering allowing a darker, grittier fantasy theme within the nation like they currently have. I am going to be honest and admit that Davostan is the only nation Moderation have not completely decided on, we are still working through possible combinations or ideas and we will be reaching out to players in Davostan with our proposals since it has one of the more complex, long running themes in Terra.
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