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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby lewiselder1 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:34 pm

Added CPs to the rules redraft plans, just forgot to add them to the list I’m afraid haha!

Regarding this particular situation, I think you’re probably right pointing that out. I think a more gradual change towards Ahmadism in that party, combined with the RP of a growing Ahmadi movement in the nation, would be good enough. It doesn’t have to be at a snail’s pace, but some set-up would be better.

However I’ll leave it to CM to decide as I don’t know bucket loads about the specifics of the situation. That’s my advice, though.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby JuliaAJA » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:10 pm

I will admit, I should probably RP more on it if I am going to continue with it. At the time of my bill proposing Ahmadism as the state religion, there was a state religion which had not been defined by the original bill. I took the initiative to define one. I can provide the relevant legislation if requested. I will be considering whether I will be continuing on my course and doing the proper RP work or if I will be dropping it.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby cm9777 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:43 am

Regarding that part of the past rules on minority rule type scenarios, I’m not sure a particular distinction is necessary for those in particular just that rp should remain realistic (with a certain degree after all we need to allow leeway for different rps).

I came across some interesting previous rules known as the Pax Cynica which were taken out of action in 2013 I believe. There are references to nation rp rules in there which I assume were before cultural protocols. Perhaps instead of keeping cultural protocols in their current form, we could combine them with potential political protocols to form collective national rp rules. Note this is my opinion and not the consensus of Moderation unless we agree on such an approach later.

Idioc, the author of this Pax Cynica document also warns against the rules turning into a constitution (which apparently resulted in textualism that led to it being rescinded) so I think there should definitely be room for interpretation and discretion so the rules are effective to keep in touch with the community.

Basically, this is a game and not a constitutional republic so to compare Moderation and Wouter running the game to how the Great Commonwealth of Australia is governed would not be correct.(Not saying that anyone is suggesting this but I think there is a lesson in there for improving the rules)


It’s probably best to move this discussion on game rules to another thread such as Moderation/GRC Queries. No doubt similar discussions closer to the implementation.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby Aquinas » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:37 am

cm9777 wrote:Regarding that part of the past rules on minority rule type scenarios, I’m not sure a particular distinction is necessary for those in particular just that rp should remain realistic (with a certain degree after all we need to allow leeway for different rps).

I came across some interesting previous rules known as the Pax Cynica which were taken out of action in 2013 I believe. There are references to nation rp rules in there which I assume were before cultural protocols. Perhaps instead of keeping cultural protocols in their current form, we could combine them with potential political protocols to form collective national rp rules. Note this is my opinion and not the consensus of Moderation unless we agree on such an approach later.

Idioc, the author of this Pax Cynica document also warns against the rules turning into a constitution (which apparently resulted in textualism that led to it being rescinded) so I think there should definitely be room for interpretation and discretion so the rules are effective to keep in touch with the community.

Basically, this is a game and not a constitutional republic so to compare Moderation and Wouter running the game to how the Great Commonwealth of Australia is governed would not be correct.(Not saying that anyone is suggesting this but I think there is a lesson in there for improving the rules)


It’s probably best to move this discussion on game rules to another thread such as Moderation/GRC Queries. No doubt similar discussions closer to the implementation.


Parts of CM's last post came across to me as quite confused and TBH a bit concerning, although I won't go into the details of that right here, so as to keep this thread on-topic.

Regardless of whether Jess continues with this RP, it would be really helpful for Moderation to clarify whether this situation in Dorvik is legal in terms of the rules, so we all know where we stand.

To make this more specific, I am asking two questions:

1. Given Dorvik's Cultural Protocol and the RP background, is it legitimate for Jess to be running an Ahmadi party in Dorvik?

2. Given Dorvik's Cultural Protocol and the RP background, is it legitimate for Jess's party to make Ahmadism Dorvik's official religion?
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby lewiselder1 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:16 pm

Luis1p wrote:http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=580724

Reintroduced CPs for ya. :mrgreen:


Sorry, forgot about this one. Approved.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby cm9777 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:51 am

Yes And Yes. It can be considered an apartheid kind of minority rule esque idea. A previous example was I think when Narikaton Darnussia has a Czar named Sebastian or so which was the same dynamic.

However I do suggest that Jess makes more of an effort to Roleplay it.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby Aquinas » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:18 pm

cm9777 wrote:Yes And Yes. It can be considered an apartheid kind of minority rule esque idea. A previous example was I think when Narikaton Darnussia has a Czar named Sebastian or so which was the same dynamic.

However I do suggest that Jess makes more of an effort to Roleplay it.


Could you explain how, from Moderation's point of view, it is plausible for Dorvish citizens to vote in a party wanting to establish an Ahmadi Caliphate in Dorvik, taking into account that Ahmadis make up less than 2.5% of Dorvik's population?

Even putting aside the Cultural Protocol issue, I could point out that section 6c of the Game Rules states this:

c. Users should always make a conscious effort to keep Roleplay realistic and reasonable.


In Moderation's view, does Jess's current RP in Dorvik meet the rules criteria in terms of being "realistic and reasonable"?

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http://classic.particracy.net/viewparty ... tyid=35495

Please also see the party linked above, in Badara. This is a "Socialist and Buddhist" party (note the RL references issue, BTW) in a nation with a Buddhist/Daenist population that must be less than 2%. Does Moderation similarly regard this situation as acceptable in terms of the rules?
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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby Aquinas » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:58 am

cm9777 wrote:Yes And Yes. It can be considered an apartheid kind of minority rule esque idea. A previous example was I think when Narikaton Darnussia has a Czar named Sebastian or so which was the same dynamic.


I had been thinking about your Darnussia comment and trying to work out what you meant, but I'm still not sure. Do you suppose you could explain what your point was in your point was in bringing that up? It's just left me a bit puzzled, that's all.

(BTW bear in mind also that unlike Dorvik, Darnussia is Culturally Open, but even if it wasn't I'm not sure how that would necessarily be relevant...)
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Re: Cultural Protocol Violation Reports

Postby cm9777 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:26 am

To answer these questions I must say yes and yes. I think it fits into a minority rule esque scenario. Voter choices irl depend on a lot of factors so at least in my view someone running as an Ahmadist wouldn’t in itself be a disqualification. For that reason I would say the Buddhist party (will be messaged to eliminate that irl reference) is also acceptable. In saying this, if this is not what the community wants, a rule change or different interpretation of them can be considered.

Narikaton Darnussia had several instances of minority rule from rather insignificant ethnic groups including a Czar named Sebastian (an aware this is ethnic not religious but imo the same principles apply). Also worth noting history is full of rulers trying to force religious conversions on the majority of its populace (India, Iran etc.) and I’m not convinced this would be different by simply putting things to a vote. This is why I suggest Jess make more of an effort to rp this.
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Re: Cultural Protocol Approvals

Postby Polites » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:58 pm

We got ourselves an update for Selucia: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=581617

To be reviewed by another Mod to avoid conflict of interest
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