Swedish Election 2015/2018

[MichaelReilly]

Vile party. Abhorrent.

[SelucianCrusader]

Meh. It isn't the Front National. One of their MP:s who I sorta like who is of Jewish descent wrote a very touching story about her family history at the Swedish equivalent of the BBC's website. In ten years they will probably have moderated even more and gotten integrated into the European conservative movement. After all that's what happened in Norway, Finland and Denmark. They've' got to deal with some people in their youth group though.

It's good that the Christian Democrats are finally gaining some sense when it comes to immigration. We need some kind of via media between the current 200.000 immigrants a year and 90% reduction proposed by the SD. Even if 20.000 a year wouldn't actually be that extreme if you compare it with our neighbours.

[Hrafn]

Vile party. Abhorrent.

The fact that you think that they are vile is a stamp of quality.

[SelucianCrusader]

Hey Hrafn, what do you like this sign? A bit too Christian for you, maybe?

[PaleRider]

Vile party. Abhorrent.

The fact that you think that they are vile is a stamp of quality.

And its this kind of political extremist rhetoric that creates gridlock. If the centre-left parties would seriously engage on the issues instead of labeling anyone who doesnt support liberal immigration and social policies as racist or a bigot, we might actually have a productive discussion that could take the wind out of the parties located on the further right.
What's the driving force behind the rise of UKIP, FN, and the Sweden Democrats? The mainstream parties refusal to seriously engage on the issues.

[CanadianEh]

I don't see why you all are against immigration and the Centre-Left parties who label people for opposing immigration that boosts an economy as racist because in a lot of cases they are. Immigration where you get judged and scored based on how well you will do in the nation for economic benefit is not harming at all in fact it improves diversity, creates a stable population pyramid and boosts the economy. While I believe that refugees should be caped off at a certain number yearly immigrants should be more free and the cap should be much looser, I admire Sweden for taking in 200 000 immigrants a year (almost 30 000 more than Canada and we are 4 times larger in population).

Immigration helps with a dire issue in current Developed nations that issue is population decrease and higher amounts of people in the 65+ range and a lower birth rate and less people in the 0-20 range. IF nations continue to deny economic immigration they will eventually have more people in the 65+ range than the entire rest of the population combined. Immigration (especially economic) allows nations to add more people into the Working population and 0-15 year area every year which will make those nations more powerful. Nations like Russia and Germany have rejected immigration will start to see a population decrease and have problems with the elderly becoming the very dominant age group.


Russia's pyramid, as you can see because of immigration it is more constrictive


Canada's pyramid, as you can see because of immigration it is more stable.


Sweden's pyramid, as you can see because of immigration it is more stable.

[SelucianCrusader]

Immigration can indeed be a good thing if there's a shortage of skilled workers in a country. Such immigration helped build Sweden to what it is in the 50's and 60's when we were one of few countries in Europe with an intact infrastructure, thanks to our behaviour during WWII.

But that's another type of immigration. You can't just view people as numbers and bars. You have to take their education, their values and willingness to adopt and provide for themselves into account as well. The sort that has dominated since the mid 70's is asylum immigration and especially relative immigration. This creates a huge surplus of unskilled workers that entrenches the already high (18,6%) youth unemployment. If you get asylum in Sweden, you can get get not just your partner (not even need to be married) here, you can literally get your old grandma here as well. It's called relative immigration (anhöriginvandring), and there are few restrictions to it, plus befits for all of course. Since everyone from Syria automatically gets a permanent residence permit, you can bet there's a huge influx.

Plus there is also the issue of segregation of course. Areas where unemployment is sky-high and people don''t learn Swedish or live according to our customs. If multiculturalism was a heavenly as some claim it is, there wouldn't be the issue of white flight from such areas. In contrast, the immigrants who came here to work from other parts of Europe during the Cold War were largely assimilated, there are people of such descendance everywhere and it's hardly noticeable.

Last week there was a documentary about Muslim anti-Semitism in Malmö, which is quite infamous. Some reporters dressed as Jews tried to enter the suburb of Rosengård. Eggs were thrown at them. Afterwards, some Muslim youngsters defended their behaviour with the fact that "we have our background, and they have theirs". Can't really blame anyone for thinking that these sort of people should go home if they can't standing living in a civilized society.

Me it doesn't bother that much. I live in Stockholm city. 1432 a year per per approximately 1.000.000 isn't that much (and in Södermalm, our equivalent of Brooklyn were all the tolerant liberals live, it's of course 0 a year). Rural municipalities, were there is already high unemployment, have a much tougher time. Paces like Lessebo, who are supposed to support a refugee population of 212 with just 2737 residents, that's almost 10% of the population.

Overall, since Finland isn't considered far-right despite that they take in 500 refugees a year, a much more generous policy here in Sweden shouldn't be either.

[Kubrick]

Paces like Lessebo, who are supposed to support a refugee population of 212 with just 2737 residents, that's almost 10% of the population.

I'll abstain from the whole Swedish election thing since I'm far from knowledgeable about it but this here stroke me as interesting. Compare it to the Dutch town of Oranjedorp. ~150 citizens in the town and 1400 refugees. Then again they are all placed in a "vacation camp" so the local entrepreneur who owns the place is very pleased (100% occupancy, anyone?).

[SelucianCrusader]

Paces like Lessebo, who are supposed to support a refugee population of 212 with just 2737 residents, that's almost 10% of the population.

I'll abstain from the whole Swedish election thing since I'm far from knowledgeable about it but this here stroke me as interesting. Compare it to the Dutch town of Oranjedorp. ~150 citizens in the town and 1400 refugees. Then again they are all placed in a "vacation camp" so the local entrepreneur who owns the place is very pleased (100% occupancy, anyone?).

Oh. We have the same kind of thing here, a guy called Bert Karlsson, multimillionaire from the entertainment industry and former right-wing populist politician with anti-immigration tendencies (!) is now making hundreds of millions from owning refugee compounds. It's a huge industry. Sometimes historical castles are converted into refugee compounds, which has led to the expression "flyktingslott" (refugee castles).

Swedish politicians love outsourcing public things, the same goes for public schools and hospitals and literally whatever you want. Not even the Norwegians seem to understand how our system works.

[CanadianEh]

I think that the government and people only have real problems with segregation in Europe right now, North America really does not have the same problems. I think that in some cases too much diversity is dangerous but in most cases immigrants integrate into the society of the nation they immigrate to. I think to do this what we need to do is combat segregation through multiple efforts.