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Siggon Kristov wrote:Valdštejn wrote:The nation's name doesn't have to be in the countries language, English is always acceptable.
"Demetreilourenea" seems neither English nor French, specifically the second part - "lourenea" which is a non-French modification of the nation's default name. I'm assuming the name can be English or the country's language, but not something completely outside of that.Valdštejn wrote:The in-game political opinions doesn't matter the slightest, the only thing it does influence is how many votes a party will get on election day.
I think this ought to be changed, in regards to cultural protocols formation and regulation, just to keep things realistic.
Just imagine a theocratic party being the only party in a nation for a few years, and they create a religious culture when the nation is irreligious, then they bitch about it when another party comes and sweeps the elections with secular policies in its visibility, and tries to actually change "too many laws at once" against the cultural protocols.
It could be the other way around, where a militant atheist party forces secular policies on a religious country, makes up cultural protocols to claim that the people aren't generally interested in religion, then complain when a religious party sweeps the elections and tries to reverse all the "culture" in the nation that was player-developed.
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I'm not saying that culture should be based on the political opinions, but the political opinions should at least be considered when creating a culture, just to keep things realistic.
Rildanor's political opinions on religion ... http://classic.particracy.net/viewopini ... nid=27#REL
Rildanor's "culture" ... http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=356848
Farsun wrote:I'd like to petition to have the Trigunian culture reviewed because apparently Finnish became a large portion of Trigunian culture without any substantial backing or historical background. Could this be investigated as a breach in the cultural protocols seeing as this has been a problem I've viewed in Trigunia for a longtime.
Valdštejn wrote:Farsun wrote:I'd like to petition to have the Trigunian culture reviewed because apparently Finnish became a large portion of Trigunian culture without any substantial backing or historical background. Could this be investigated as a breach in the cultural protocols seeing as this has been a problem I've viewed in Trigunia for a longtime.
According to the Trigunian cultural protocols, 35% of Trigunians are Sullestians (Finnish). 35% taking over the cultural dominance wouldn't be so dramatic as to need special RP, especially when the only larger group has only 43%. Also, Finnish is explicitly named as official language, which makes it relatively unproblematic to establish Finnish names.
Farsun wrote:Valdštejn wrote:Farsun wrote:I'd like to petition to have the Trigunian culture reviewed because apparently Finnish became a large portion of Trigunian culture without any substantial backing or historical background. Could this be investigated as a breach in the cultural protocols seeing as this has been a problem I've viewed in Trigunia for a longtime.
According to the Trigunian cultural protocols, 35% of Trigunians are Sullestians (Finnish). 35% taking over the cultural dominance wouldn't be so dramatic as to need special RP, especially when the only larger group has only 43%. Also, Finnish is explicitly named as official language, which makes it relatively unproblematic to establish Finnish names.
This I understand but Trigunia is a "Culturally active" nation with the Trigunian culture and language, the introduction of the Finnish, or Sullestians would have to gradually happen over the course of 500 years which is written in the very rules which the Moderation team designed for cultural protocols. From a 0% population to 35%? I believe that to be a radical culture shift and I disagree entirely with it personally. I believe a culture group shouldn't form absolutely out of no where.
Valdštejn wrote:Cultural protocols can't claim any interest in religion.
Urien wrote:Example:
Bill Title: “OOC: National Cultural Identity”.
“Upon passing, the nation of Crapistan shall adopt a culture loosely based upon German Culture.”
Influences: Some slavic influences due to past Deltarian conquests.
Character naming: Favour German names with some limited eastern european names for characters.
National dictionary: http://www.yourdictionaryurl.com
Cultural origins: Our country has origins in emigrants from Jelbania and Keymon.
Religious influences: About 50% Terran Catholic, with strong indigenous religions based on pagan influences, the largest of which is called “Hammer of Bodin” covering about 35% of the population.
Siggon Kristov wrote:Valdštejn wrote:Cultural protocols can't claim any interest in religion.
They can't? Really?
Please, I don't expect lies from the Moderation team.
Don't lie to us while expecting us to trust your judgement.
Urien wrote:Example:
Bill Title: “OOC: National Cultural Identity”.
“Upon passing, the nation of Crapistan shall adopt a culture loosely based upon German Culture.”
Influences: Some slavic influences due to past Deltarian conquests.
Character naming: Favour German names with some limited eastern european names for characters.
National dictionary: http://www.yourdictionaryurl.com
Cultural origins: Our country has origins in emigrants from Jelbania and Keymon.
Religious influences: About 50% Terran Catholic, with strong indigenous religions based on pagan influences, the largest of which is called “Hammer of Bodin” covering about 35% of the population.
Here are the bills that were approved for culturally protected nations. All mention religion.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=329525
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=329723
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=329529
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=329720
I could add more, but I only included the ones on the list of protected nations, written by Urien.
Valdštejn wrote:Thanks for that, but it should have been pretty obvious that this says little to nothing about the interest in religion. All it says is which religions are there, and how many are part of them. It says nothing about how the people feel about religion in politics, nothing about who the people will vote for.
Religious influences: Primarily a diverse, and peaceful, three-way mix of Pagan (mostly Celtic Pagan), Christian (mostly Catholic), and Secular. A few small minorities exist too.
I could agree to Article 2 and other moderate articles in the future, but I will have to vote "no" against this bill as it violates Indralan tradition.
Indrala has numerous state religions which are more cultural symbols. Also, 90% of all Indralans are adherents of any one of those religions: Heaven Worship, Qamido, and Dharmism.
OOC: Seriously, I mean this. You can't change it anyways since it is protected by the cultural protocols, which contains the necessary statistics for religion
Reiko wrote:No national religion could be a violation if done too hastily
Siggon Kristov wrote:Valdštejn wrote:Thanks for that, but it should have been pretty obvious that this says little to nothing about the interest in religion. All it says is which religions are there, and how many are part of them. It says nothing about how the people feel about religion in politics, nothing about who the people will vote for.
Really?
Religious influences: Primarily a diverse, and peaceful, three-way mix of Pagan (mostly Celtic Pagan), Christian (mostly Catholic), and Secular. A few small minorities exist too.
To me, that sounds like the citizens would be opposed to a single religion being mandatory (an optional variable of the state's policy on a national religion).
All the others seem as if the citizens wouldn't want religion to be banned (another optional variable of the state's policy on a national religion).
And please see the comments on this bill... http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=337956I could agree to Article 2 and other moderate articles in the future, but I will have to vote "no" against this bill as it violates Indralan tradition.
Indrala has numerous state religions which are more cultural symbols. Also, 90% of all Indralans are adherents of any one of those religions: Heaven Worship, Qamido, and Dharmism.OOC: Seriously, I mean this. You can't change it anyways since it is protected by the cultural protocols, which contains the necessary statistics for religion
I remember it being addressed by Reiko (through the in-forum messaging), where the player messaged me to say I'd be violating cultural protocols if I proposed a bill to have no national religion...Reiko wrote:No national religion could be a violation if done too hastily
There would be only 1 law I'd need to change for there to no longer be a national religion, so I don't see what the relevance of the word "hastily" is.
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